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Title: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on July 20, 2009, 07:14:13 PM
Hi gang,

Thought I should start the search in earnest.

I'm after a short shaft outboard in the 50-70hp range.

I'm not stuck on brand or age. Just something to go on Capricious (see link in my signature).

Would rather a solid fixer-upper for lower $ than something already fixed up for higher $. I have access to people with OB rebuild experience, so am not fearful of a challenge!

Only real requirements is that the motor be electric start and to have, or be able to have, tilt and forward controls.

Let me know if you see or hear of anything.

Cheers.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: MERCMAN on July 21, 2009, 09:48:10 AM
This old 'rude is not quite in your hp range of choice, Aaron. However, it is certainly the correct era.
Plus... it's even a short shaft and close to home.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/40hp-evinrude-electric-start_W0QQitemZ270428879565QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Boat_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3ef6d13acd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A2%7C294%3A50

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on July 21, 2009, 12:20:26 PM
Yes, I was already watching that one. I thought it could be a good place to start while I continue searching either for another motor or the next boat once this one is finished.

Would a 40hp like that get my 13ft up on plane ok?  I'm guessing it would. I don't need a rocket-ship, but it would be nice to have some 'get up and go'.

I see it has a pull start. Do you know if it is also electric and could run with forward controls? Are these readily available?

Apologies for all the Q's. I know little about these things and trust your advise over any Ebay seller.

Cheers,

Aaron.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: MERCMAN on July 21, 2009, 12:41:09 PM
The 40hp will go real well on your flat bottom hull. It won't pull 3 skiers out of a deep water start, but it will give you a good ski-biscuit ride and tow an 60/70kg single skier OK.
Although you can see a "rip cord" in one of the pics, she is an electric start as the ad says. You can see the starter motor in one of the pics.
Forward controls (two lever type) for that motor are fairly easily obtained.. I reckon. They come up on ebay from time to time and suit most old OMC stuff.
Just talk to Oldenrude or MarkS about the ignition key/loom. They will give you the right advice on those items.

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on July 21, 2009, 02:16:13 PM
Thanks mate.

Will see how it goes and come-a-calling on you guys for advice if I end up with it.

I can just see it all shiny and colour-coded white/red with the boat ;-)

Cheers.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: MERCMAN on July 21, 2009, 03:24:42 PM
Colour-coded. Oh no.. just keep her original.

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on July 21, 2009, 10:00:30 PM
Never fear... The boat is lilkey to be white with red and that motor is pretty close. Colour coding is likely to just change the type of white/red used to match.  Unlikley it'll get GT stripes  8)

Though.... given the boat is still bloody well unidentified, there's no originality able to go into it anyhow!


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: MERCMAN on July 24, 2009, 10:56:41 AM
Hi Aaron,
If you were to jag the 40hp, here are a set of controls that should do the job. I'd check with either of our members MarkS or Oldenrude prior bidding.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Outboard-control-box-and-cables-Evinrude-Johnson-OMC_W0QQitemZ160350755382QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Boat_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2555a65a36&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C293%3A3%7C294%3A50

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on July 26, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
Well, I'm still looking.

Seems someone wanted it more than me!


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: Mark S on September 08, 2009, 10:33:46 AM
Here's one on Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110429620662&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT



Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on September 15, 2009, 06:44:53 AM
Hey Mark,
I had a crack at it on Ebay but others pushed it beyond my limit.
I was really quite suprised of the price it went for.
So I'm still looking :-(


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on August 30, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
OK gang, as you will have seen I'm back on the project.

Other than the one fiberglass issue I have posted about I have 95% of the project planned out.

My only other major issue is a motor.

So I wanted ask if anyone hears of anything in the 40-70hp range in a shortshaft, a holler would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
AJ


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on September 26, 2010, 07:05:04 AM
Change of tact....

Long shafts.... lots out there.... is there a resource where I can know what LS motors can be converted to SS?

A site listing all the models of Rude, Jono, Merc, etc?

Cheers,
Aaron


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: bootlegger on October 14, 2010, 07:32:37 AM
Hi Aaron. I got your email but somehow deleted it. The Johnos I have are long shaft but they have a removable spacer. With a little bit of modification (someone here would know) they can be made into short shaft.
One is supposed to run but the guy said it had a miss. The other is only good for parts.
Im pretty sure I have all the controls as well.
$500 the lot. Dave 0413766501


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on October 26, 2010, 03:49:23 PM
Dave, thanks for the offer and thanks also for the offer regarding those Syndey motors.

I can, however, announce I am about to be the owner of a VERY dilapidated and not even close to running 1976 (to be confirmed) Merc 650SS.

Spent more than I should have give its unknown future ability to run (the engine that is) and ceased gearbox, but what's a  few hundred for the hours and hours of tinkering fun I have coming ;-)

In fact it was worth the over-spend just to bloody be able to say I have a motor to start toying with.

And being black with red and silver, it'll match Capricious's proposed white with red and black paint job. Not to mention the 'get up and mosey' the little 13'1" Capricious will have if the 650 every gets running.

Aaron.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: MERCMAN on October 26, 2010, 04:16:05 PM
Post a pic Aaron and I'll tell you the year.
You can back date that 4 cyl 650 easily with just decals or go a little further back with a paint job & decals and no one would be the wiser ;D


MERCMAN.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on October 26, 2010, 04:22:49 PM
Oh.... and I meant 67 not 76!!!

From the Ebay ad:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TMZy9OjXwDI/AAAAAAAAAFs/8P228jYF-qE/s400/Mercury+650+65HP+Outboard2.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_agL-NTLiiAo/TMZui1JEn5I/AAAAAAAAAFY/8euUtgb4J58/s400/Mercury+650+65HP+Outboard.jpg)

I put it at 67/68 but I have not been able to find and example with the exact decals.

And don't you guys give me a hard time about the price!


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: Chair on October 26, 2010, 06:11:06 PM
Same as the one on Jav 12
http://board.net.au/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=596.0;attach=2247;image
I'd say 1967 am I correct Mercman?


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: andrewallan on October 26, 2010, 07:27:32 PM
The cowl (?sp) looks fantastic. Who cares whether it works , or how much you paid?!! It'll add hugely to the aesthetics of your boat. And the "tinking" value is priceless for those who love to tink with old motors as you obviously do.
A


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: MERCMAN on October 27, 2010, 07:15:42 AM
Yep, Spot on Chairman, and a short shaft at that!

MERCMAN.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on October 27, 2010, 04:33:06 PM
Ok, first question...

Forward controls: What year ranges or types will suit outside of 67-69?

Pics would be invaluable and I might look to Ebay USA due to the exchange rate and bigger choice than here ;-)

Aaron.


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: Chair on October 27, 2010, 07:02:55 PM
I don't know for sure about the 67, but what you need to do is look at the pin configeration. I have had 2 of the same year merc but the pin configeration was different. A picture of the male bit (motor) will have to be included when you search.
You never know, someone amongst us may have the exact control you are after.
Chairman


Title: Re: 50-70hp short shaft
Post by: AaronJ on October 28, 2010, 07:22:55 AM
I found the wiring diagram for it.

It is actually a 7-pin on the contol side but 6-pin on the motor side (the 'E' or salmon coloured pin isnt on the motor side)

Here is the wiring diagram with pin configuration: http://www.maxrules.com/oldmercs/Wiring/1966ona/28.jpg

Does that help?